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I remember first reading Deborah Tannen’s research in college. It opened my eyes to many of the incredible strengths—and therefore weaknesses—we as human beings have when it comes to communication and understanding each other.
So much of the gender differences she highlighted were things I could see in many of my male peers and in the couples that I would watch (in a creepy way, of course).
Knowing what I know now, all men are not the same and all women are not the same—but I firmly believe that it’s so important for us to be confident enough to recognize some pretty big generalizations that can often be true about our spouses, the people we date, our parents, siblings and co-workers. As my father essentially says in The Illumination Project—the shoe may not fit for you, but it might fit the person you are in relationship with. It would be good to know a few of these generalizations to maybe give a little more grace in the ways they are different than you.
I recently came across an article that Dr. Tannen wrote for The Washington Post in 1990, and it’s perfect for our Formal Lunch discussion. 1990 didn’t seem that long ago until I realized it was TWENTY-FOUR years ago.
WHERE HAVE ALL THE HORSES (I mean “years”) GONE?!
The Washington Post, June 24, 1990
I WAS ADDRESSING a small gathering in a suburban Virginia living room—a women’s group that had invited men to join them. Throughout the evening, one man had been particularly talkative, frequently offering ideas and anecdotes, while his wife sat silently beside him on the couch. Toward the end of the evening, I commented that women frequently complain that their husbands don’t talk to them. This man quickly concurred. He gestured toward his wife and said, “She’s the talker in our family.” The room burst into laughter; the man looked puzzled and hurt. “It’s true,” he explained. “When I come home from work I have nothing to say. If she didn’t keep the conversation going, we’d spend the whole evening in silence.”
This episode crystallizes the irony that although American men tend to talk more than women in public situations, they often talk less at home. And this pattern is wreaking havoc with marriage. The pattern was observed by political scientist Andrew Hacker in the late ’70s. Sociologist Catherine Kohler Riessman reports in her new book “Divorce Talk” that most of the women she interviewed—but only a few of the men—gave lack of communication as the reason for their divorces. Given the current divorce rate of nearly 50 percent, that amounts to millions of cases in the United States every year—a virtual epidemic of failed conversation.
In my own research, complaints from women about their husbands most often focused not on tangible inequities such as having given up the chance for a career to accompany a husband to his, or doing far more than their share of daily life-support work like cleaning, cooking, social arrangements and errands. Instead, they focused on communication: “He doesn’t listen to me,” “He doesn’t talk to me.”I found, as Hacker observed years before, that most wives want their husbands to be, first and foremost, conversational partners, but few husbands share this expectation of their wives.
In short, the image that best represents the current crisis is the stereotypical cartoon scene of a man sitting at the breakfast table with a newspaper held up in front of his face, while a woman glares at the back of it, wanting to talk.
How can women and men have such different impressions of communication in marriage? Why the widespread imbalance in their interests and expectations?
In the April issue of American Psychologist, Stanford University’s Eleanor Maccoby reports the results of her own and others’ research showing that children’s development is most influenced by the social structure of peer interactions. Boys and girls tend to play with children of their own gender, and their sex-separate groups have different organizational structures and interactive norms.
I believe these systematic differences in childhood socialization make talk between women and men like cross-cultural communication, heir to all the attraction and pitfalls of that enticing but difficult enterprise. My research on men’s and women’s conversations uncovered patterns similar to those described for children’s groups.
For women, as for girls, intimacy is the fabric of relationships, and talk is the thread from which it is woven. Little girls create and maintain friendships by exchanging secrets; similarly, women regard conversation as the cornerstone of friendship. So a woman expects her husband to be a new and improved version of a best friend. What is important is not the individual subjects that are discussed but the sense of closeness, of a life shared, that emerges when people tell their thoughts, feelings, and impressions.
Bonds between boys can be as intense as girls’, but they are based less on talking, more on doing things together. Since they don’t assume talk is the cement that binds a relationship, men don’t know what kind of talk women want, and they don’t miss it when it isn’t there.
Boys’ groups are larger, more inclusive, and more hierarchical, so boys must struggle to avoid the subordinate position in the group. This may play a role in women’s complaints that men don’t listen to them. Some men really don’t like to listen, because being the listener makes them feel one-down, like a child listening to adults or an employee to a boss.
But often when women tell men, “You aren’t listening,” and the men protest, “I am,” the men are right. The impression of not listening results from misalignments in the mechanics of conversation. The misalignment begins as soon as a man and a woman take physical positions. This became clear when I studied videotapes made by psychologist Bruce Dorval of children and adults talking to their same-sex best friends. I found that at every age, the girls and women faced each other directly, their eyes anchored on each other’s faces. At every age, the boys and men sat at angles to each other and looked elsewhere in the room, periodically glancing at each other. They were obviously attuned to each other, often mirroring each other’s movements. But the tendency of men to face away can give women the impression they aren’t listening even when they are. A young woman in college was frustrated: Whenever she told her boyfriend she wanted to talk to him, he would lie down on the floor, close his eyes, and put his arm over his face. This signaled to her, “He’s taking a nap.” But he insisted he was listening extra hard. Normally, he looks around the room, so he is easily distracted. Lying down and covering his eyes helped him concentrate on what she was saying.
Analogous to the physical alignment that women and men take in conversation is their topical alignment. The girls in my study tended to talk at length about one topic, but the boys tended to jump from topic to topic. The second-grade girls exchanged stories about people they knew. The second-grade boys teased, told jokes, noticed things in the room and talked about finding games to play. The sixth-grade girls talked about problems with a mutual friend. The sixth grade boys talked about 55 different topics, none of which extended over more than a few turns.
Switching topics is another habit that gives women the impression men aren’t listening, especially if they switch to a topic about themselves. But the evidence of the 10th-grade boys in my study indicates otherwise. The 10th-grade boys sprawled across their chairs with bodies parallel and eyes straight ahead, rarely looking at each other. They looked as if they were riding in a car, staring out the windshield. But they were talking about their feelings. One boy was upset because a girl had told him he had a drinking problem, and the other was feeling alienated from all his friends.
Now, when a girl told a friend about a problem, the friend responded by asking probing questions and expressing agreement and understanding. But the boys dismissed each other’s problems. Todd assured Richard that his drinking was “no big problem” because “sometimes you’re funny when you’re off your butt.” And when Todd said he felt left out, Richard responded, “Why should you? You know more people than me.”
Women perceive such responses as belittling and unsupportive. But the boys seemed satisfied with them. Whereas women reassure each other by implying, “You shouldn’t feel bad because I’ve had similar experiences,” men do so by implying, “You shouldn’t feel bad because your problems aren’t so bad.”
There are even simpler reasons for women’s impression that men don’t listen. Linguist Lynette Hirschman found that women make more listener-noise, such as “mhm,” “uhuh,” and “yeah,” to show “I’m with you.” Men, she found, more often give silent attention. Women who expect a stream of listener noise interpret silent attention as no attention at all.
Women’s conversational habits are as frustrating to men as men’s are to women. Men who expect silent attention interpret a stream of listener noise as overreaction or impatience. Also, when women talk to each other in a close, comfortable setting, they often overlap, finish each other’s sentences and anticipate what the other is about to say. This practice (which I call “participatory listenership”) is often perceived by men as interruption, intrusion, or a lack of attention.
A parallel difference caused a man to complain about his wife, “She just wants to talk about her own point of view. If I show her another view, she gets mad at me.” When most women talk to each other, they assume a conversationalist’s job is to express agreement and support. But many men see their conversational duty as pointing out the other side of an argument. This is heard as disloyalty by women, and refusal to offer the requisite support. It is not that women don’t want to see other points of view, but that they prefer them phrased as suggestions and inquiries rather than as direct challenges.
In his book “Fighting for Life,” Walter Ong points out that men use “agonistic” or warlike, oppositional formats to do almost anything; thus discussion becomes debate, and conversation a competitive sport. In contrast, women see conversation as a ritual means of establishing rapport. If Jane tells a problem and June says she has a similar one, they walk away feeling closer to each other. But this attempt at establishing rapport can backfire when used with men. Men take too literally women’s ritual “troubles talk,” just as women mistake men’s ritual challenges for real attack.
These differences begin to clarify why women and men have such different expectations about communication in marriage. For women, talk creates intimacy. Marriage is an orgy of closeness: you can tell your feelings and thoughts, and still be loved. Their greatest fear is being pushed away. But men live in a hierarchical world, where talk maintains independence and status. They are on guard to protect themselves from being put down and pushed around.
This explains the paradox of the talkative man who said of his silent wife, “She’s the talker.” In the public setting of a guest lecture, he felt challenged to show his intelligence and display his understanding of the lecture. But at home, where he has nothing to prove and no one to defend against, he is free to remain silent. For his wife, being home means she is free from the worry that something she says might offend someone, or spark disagreement, or appear to be showing off; at home she is free to talk!
The communication problems that endanger marriage can’t be fixed by mechanical engineering. They require a new conceptual framework about the role of talk in human relationships. Many of the psychological explanations that have become second nature may not be helpful, because they tend to blame either women (for not being assertive enough) or men (for not being in touch with their feelings). A sociolinguistic approach by which male-female conversation is seen as cross-cultural communication allows us to understand the problem and forge solutions without blaming either party.
Once the problem is understood, improvement comes naturally, as it did to the young woman and her boyfriend who seemed to go to sleep when she wanted to talk. Previously, she had accused him of not listening, and he had refused to change his behavior, since that would be admitting fault. But then she learned about and explained to him the differences in women’s and men’s habitual ways of aligning themselves in conversation. The next time she told him she wanted to talk, he began, as usual, by lying down and covering his eyes. When the familiar negative reaction bubbled up, she reassured herself that he really was listening. But then he sat up and looked at her. Thrilled, she asked why. He said, “You like me to look at you when we talk, so I’ll try to do it.” Once he saw their differences as cross-cultural rather than right and wrong, he independently altered his behavior.
Women who feel abandoned and deprived when their husbands won’t listen to or report daily news may be happy to discover their husbands trying to adapt once they understand the place of small talk in women’s relationships. But if their husbands don’t adapt, the women may still be comforted that for men, this is not a failure of intimacy. Accepting the difference, the wives may look to their friends or family for that kind of talk. And husbands who can’t provide it shouldn’t feel their wives have made unreasonable demands. Some couples will still decide to divorce, but at least their decisions will be based on realistic expectations.
In these times of resurgent ethnic conflicts, the world desperately needs cross-cultural understanding. Like charity, successful cross-cultural communication should begin at home.
1. What do you identify with or see in the marriages around you?
2. So now what? In light of some of our natural propensities, how can we seek to move toward and understand people who don’t operate like us? How can we grow to be better communicators? How can we seek to understand and be understood in a more mature way?
3. How will we teach our children what it means to be feminine and masculine? Will we ignore these terms, manipulate these terms, or embrace and honor them?
I would love to hear the takeaways from your Formal Lunch discussion! Holla at me, bros!
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Really good! It’s so refreshing and educational to read something like this. Nowadays, people get more and more offended when they hear things like this because they don’t want to label “man” or “woman” anymore (gender equality)….everyone is equal, everyone is the same. Although I can agree with certain arguments only up to a certain point, the reality is that we ARE different and instead of evading or cancelling it; we should be educating each other about those differences, which will enable better communication and understanding, which will in turn provide better relationships….If only this kind of teaching would be considered as the “progressive thinking” around the world, instead of the latter.
Yeah, I think labels are bad when they put someone in a box they can’t get out of…but like you said, if we don’t talk about differences that are often common place then we assume everyone thinks/acts/smells like us and can only conclude they are wrong if they don’t follow suit. That’s NEVER gonna help as we try to get along. Thanks for sharing Ana! Hope you get a group of friends together to discuss this more.
“Women who feel abandoned and deprived when their husbands won’t listen to or report daily news may be happy to discover their husbands trying to adapt once they understand the place of small talk in women’s relationships. But if their husbands don’t adapt, the women may still be comforted that for men, this is not a failure of intimacy. Accepting the difference, the wives may look to their friends or family for that kind of talk. And husbands who can’t provide it shouldn’t feel their wives have made unreasonable demands.”
The conclusion prescribes that men should always seek to adapt to the expectations and communication styles of women, but that women don’t need to make the same effort to adapt to the expectations and communication styles of men. The author never suggested women even try to adapt to the expectations and communication styles of men.
“But if their husbands don’t adapt, the women may still be comforted that for men, this is not a failure of intimacy. Accepting the difference, the wives may look to their friends or family for that kind of talk. And husbands who can’t provide it shouldn’t feel their wives have made unreasonable demands.”
The author is saying that any breakdown in communication between the men and women is to be blamed on men who “don’t adapt” and “can’t provide” what women expect, and rather than challenging women to adapt to men or provide what men expect, she recommends women ignore the expectations and needs of men by not even trying to adapt to men, but instead ignore the needs of men altogether and focus only on their own needs by communicating with other women.
This says that the needs and expectations of women are more important than the needs and expectations of men. By failing to address and acknowledge that men have any needs and expectations that women should also adapt to to improve their communication/relationship, the author gives women permission to focus only on their own needs, ignoring the expectations of men in favor of their own, and to seek their own support from other women than to support their men in the ways their men need support.
It’s a one-sided relationship that places the happiness of women above the happiness of men, while the women insist stubbornly and closed-mindedly that they are both “equal.”
Personally, I think I disagree with your argument that it’s all on the men to adapt. She seems to be addressing a need that women have that men may not have and instead of telling women to expect men to adapt and become like women, to simply say that it’s (as my father says) “Not wrong, just different.” And she is giving men license to not feel like something is wrong with them for being different. Like my father though, she encourages both parties to assume the best and come up with solutions how to meet that spouses need.
For instance when Tannen says, “Accepting the difference, the wives may look to their friends or family for that kind of talk. And husbands who can’t provide it shouldn’t feel their wives have made unreasonable demands.” she is giving each husband and wife a solution that shifts the perspective of the needs and demands as just differences.
I think it’s a very fair and balanced look that has helped each person give grace to the other. I think strive to read it because you want to understand your spouse then it can be live giving. If it’s read as a critique that as a woman “I’m too needy” or as a man “I am failing” then of course, a reader might get defensive – but that’s not the tone I take from the article at all.
Maybe give it a second read and trust Tannen is standing up for men and and women equally so they can understand each other. That’s all I’ve ever gotten from her research.
I found myself a little perplexed with the article too, but growing up in a family of mostly sisters, I don’t have a lot of “manly basis” to draw from. 🙂
What is it the men “need” from talking? I can’t see that represented here at all… it kind of said they want to be told their problems aren’t problems…? Or, that their problems aren’t as bad as other problems, so they should stop worrying about it, and then they do. This seems strange… But if it works for them, great!
So I’d love to hear from you, Jeff: what you would term is a “need” for the “men group”; I know every individual is different, etc, but, just generalizing from a perspective of being one, I’d like to hear what you have to say!